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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, what VSTs? do you like to use?</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob,
That would be a great feature for Live.  I&#039;d highly highly suggest not have a drummer turn off the click..that is if people need to sync to it...Guitarists using alot of delay, or alot of keyboard effects because it will very quickly turn into a HUGE disaster!  I always plug my tempos into Live&#039;s session view depending on a Set, or use a Master set with all my loops/clicks plugged into session view so that I&#039;m not having to manually change those tempos.

If i&#039;m doing something on the fly I&#039;ll just tap the tempo in, and even if it&#039;s not exactly right I&#039;ll live with it, which has worked fine with me.  Granted all this is dependent on a band being able to consistently play with a click and if we don&#039;t do a tune with the click then I won&#039;t use any &quot;tempo based&quot; effects, loops etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob,<br />
That would be a great feature for Live.  I&#8217;d highly highly suggest not have a drummer turn off the click..that is if people need to sync to it&#8230;Guitarists using alot of delay, or alot of keyboard effects because it will very quickly turn into a HUGE disaster!  I always plug my tempos into Live&#8217;s session view depending on a Set, or use a Master set with all my loops/clicks plugged into session view so that I&#8217;m not having to manually change those tempos.</p>
<p>If i&#8217;m doing something on the fly I&#8217;ll just tap the tempo in, and even if it&#8217;s not exactly right I&#8217;ll live with it, which has worked fine with me.  Granted all this is dependent on a band being able to consistently play with a click and if we don&#8217;t do a tune with the click then I won&#8217;t use any &#8220;tempo based&#8221; effects, loops etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike,
Thanks for the great comment!  Tons of useful information.  Thanks for pointing out a few other options for using Live with Keyboards.  Live works incredibly well for me as far as a Plugin host goes.  I&#039;m not a keyboard player primarily but when I do play keys in a live setting Live has worked like a charm.  The thing I like about it is that I can do ALOT of stuff very very easily.  I think that&#039;s one of the best aspects of it.  For me, I don&#039;t have the time to deal with alot of the in-depth midi mapping and programming so Rewiring Live and Reason together, using some VST&#039;s and combining and controlling those with an Instrument Rack gives me way more Flexibility then I&#039;ll ever need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike,<br />
Thanks for the great comment!  Tons of useful information.  Thanks for pointing out a few other options for using Live with Keyboards.  Live works incredibly well for me as far as a Plugin host goes.  I&#8217;m not a keyboard player primarily but when I do play keys in a live setting Live has worked like a charm.  The thing I like about it is that I can do ALOT of stuff very very easily.  I think that&#8217;s one of the best aspects of it.  For me, I don&#8217;t have the time to deal with alot of the in-depth midi mapping and programming so Rewiring Live and Reason together, using some VST&#8217;s and combining and controlling those with an Instrument Rack gives me way more Flexibility then I&#8217;ll ever need.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add on to what I said before, I&#039;d like to post a quasi-complaint.

Live needs have a coarse tap tempo function. It has fine tap tempo, but it&#039;s not very practical.

While I don&#039;t play drum loops, a lot of the instruments/synths I play in Reason are sequenced and therefore dependent on proper tempo and time signature.

I write down the tempo for all our songs on my sheet music, so I just enter it when I need to play an instrument that needs it. When I started playing synth, I had to ask our drummer for the tempo of every single song as we played them over practices and services. Every once in a while we&#039;ll play something I don&#039;t have.

When that happens, or when we start playing spontaneous worship, I have to use tap tempo to find out where we are at. Since Live&#039;s tap tempo is fine, it measures to the nearest hundredth. So if the tempo is 120bpm, I&#039;ll be tapping around something like 188.45 to 122.76. I usually watch it for a few bars and then enter it manually. It&#039;ll usually come up 119.50+ so I round up to 120. As I play, sometimes I&#039;ll add/subtract a bpm or two if I feel like Reason is rushing/lagging.

And then, sometimes our drummer turns off the metronome, which leaves me dead in the water when it comes to tempo-dependent instruments. I found our band will fluctuate 2-3 bpm up/down when we play without. Just some kinks we need work out!

That being said, I&#039;d love to be able to tap to the nearest whole number. I even went to the Ableton forums about this. They recommended I have a another control to adjust fine tempo. So I assigned that to one of the faders of the K2500 to do so. But even that is still impractical. It&#039;s easier to just type it in manually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add on to what I said before, I&#8217;d like to post a quasi-complaint.</p>
<p>Live needs have a coarse tap tempo function. It has fine tap tempo, but it&#8217;s not very practical.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t play drum loops, a lot of the instruments/synths I play in Reason are sequenced and therefore dependent on proper tempo and time signature.</p>
<p>I write down the tempo for all our songs on my sheet music, so I just enter it when I need to play an instrument that needs it. When I started playing synth, I had to ask our drummer for the tempo of every single song as we played them over practices and services. Every once in a while we&#8217;ll play something I don&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>When that happens, or when we start playing spontaneous worship, I have to use tap tempo to find out where we are at. Since Live&#8217;s tap tempo is fine, it measures to the nearest hundredth. So if the tempo is 120bpm, I&#8217;ll be tapping around something like 188.45 to 122.76. I usually watch it for a few bars and then enter it manually. It&#8217;ll usually come up 119.50+ so I round up to 120. As I play, sometimes I&#8217;ll add/subtract a bpm or two if I feel like Reason is rushing/lagging.</p>
<p>And then, sometimes our drummer turns off the metronome, which leaves me dead in the water when it comes to tempo-dependent instruments. I found our band will fluctuate 2-3 bpm up/down when we play without. Just some kinks we need work out!</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;d love to be able to tap to the nearest whole number. I even went to the Ableton forums about this. They recommended I have a another control to adjust fine tempo. So I assigned that to one of the faders of the K2500 to do so. But even that is still impractical. It&#8217;s easier to just type it in manually.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Chase</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Live is still not the host of choice (really, no standard DAW is, unless you count the MainStage component of Logic) for a keyboard player. My setup is two keyboards, plus two instances of NI Kontakt (one with orchestral sounds that I always load, one with a funk horn section plus slots for other samples that I&#039;ll load specifically for a given service), and an instance of Kore for all my synth sounds. Kore has its issues (I could never recommend using it as a main host after the time it crashed while saving changes in rehearsal and corrupted the save file, causing me to have to recreate it in the 10 minutes before the service) but for the very specific way I&#039;m using it, it seems to do the job alright.

Still, keyboard players probably want something like the following in a host:

1) Ability  to completely change MIDI routings, enable and disable instruments, change instrument settings, and so on, in response to a single program change.

2) Ability to rechannelize or map MIDI based on the current preset - sometimes I want my upper keyboard controlling the laptop since it has the better keybed; other times, I have a piano up top and want the lower keyboard to control the laptop.

3) Ability to easily create a set for a specific service without having to recreate everything from scratch - this includes changing the order. Having everything for all the songs we play loaded into Live and removing the things I don&#039;t need isn&#039;t an option - I&#039;ll run out of memory long before loading all the settings I have.


So here&#039;s what I do. The Kontakt instances are easy to configure; it&#039;s not hard to load the specific samples I need. Kore&#039;s pretty easy too; I save a Kore Sound for each song we do, and just drag out the ones I need. Live doesn&#039;t do anything else that I mentioned very well; I could use instrument racks with External Instruments to handle some of those needs, but that&#039;s more work and it doesn&#039;t offer a complete solution.

The trick is to use an external tool to filter and transform the MIDI coming into Live. I use Bome&#039;s MIDI Translator. It listens to the master program change and activates a preset for the current song. The preset activates other presets to allow MIDI from my keyboards to be passed through to Live in the specific ways I need. I even programmed my own patch remain using variables in the software, so that if I&#039;m playing, say, strings in Kontakt and I switch to a program that doesn&#039;t use the strings, they keep sounding until I take my fingers off the keys that were already down, BUT I prevent future note on events from getting into Kontakt.

This is certainly more complicated, but unlike other dedicated performance hosts (most of which are Windows only, like Cantabile and Forte), this gives me the tools Live offers for playing back loops in a convenient way plus it means not having to learn both a DAW for recording projects and loop creation AND a performance tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Live is still not the host of choice (really, no standard DAW is, unless you count the MainStage component of Logic) for a keyboard player. My setup is two keyboards, plus two instances of NI Kontakt (one with orchestral sounds that I always load, one with a funk horn section plus slots for other samples that I&#8217;ll load specifically for a given service), and an instance of Kore for all my synth sounds. Kore has its issues (I could never recommend using it as a main host after the time it crashed while saving changes in rehearsal and corrupted the save file, causing me to have to recreate it in the 10 minutes before the service) but for the very specific way I&#8217;m using it, it seems to do the job alright.</p>
<p>Still, keyboard players probably want something like the following in a host:</p>
<p>1) Ability  to completely change MIDI routings, enable and disable instruments, change instrument settings, and so on, in response to a single program change.</p>
<p>2) Ability to rechannelize or map MIDI based on the current preset &#8211; sometimes I want my upper keyboard controlling the laptop since it has the better keybed; other times, I have a piano up top and want the lower keyboard to control the laptop.</p>
<p>3) Ability to easily create a set for a specific service without having to recreate everything from scratch &#8211; this includes changing the order. Having everything for all the songs we play loaded into Live and removing the things I don&#8217;t need isn&#8217;t an option &#8211; I&#8217;ll run out of memory long before loading all the settings I have.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what I do. The Kontakt instances are easy to configure; it&#8217;s not hard to load the specific samples I need. Kore&#8217;s pretty easy too; I save a Kore Sound for each song we do, and just drag out the ones I need. Live doesn&#8217;t do anything else that I mentioned very well; I could use instrument racks with External Instruments to handle some of those needs, but that&#8217;s more work and it doesn&#8217;t offer a complete solution.</p>
<p>The trick is to use an external tool to filter and transform the MIDI coming into Live. I use Bome&#8217;s MIDI Translator. It listens to the master program change and activates a preset for the current song. The preset activates other presets to allow MIDI from my keyboards to be passed through to Live in the specific ways I need. I even programmed my own patch remain using variables in the software, so that if I&#8217;m playing, say, strings in Kontakt and I switch to a program that doesn&#8217;t use the strings, they keep sounding until I take my fingers off the keys that were already down, BUT I prevent future note on events from getting into Kontakt.</p>
<p>This is certainly more complicated, but unlike other dedicated performance hosts (most of which are Windows only, like Cantabile and Forte), this gives me the tools Live offers for playing back loops in a convenient way plus it means not having to learn both a DAW for recording projects and loop creation AND a performance tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nylarch,
Great point!  That is a great feature of Live!  Working with midi is such a breeze in Live.  It&#039;s great that Live allows you to do the same thing when working with VST&#039;s and customize what features you want to assign and use..So easy to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nylarch,<br />
Great point!  That is a great feature of Live!  Working with midi is such a breeze in Live.  It&#8217;s great that Live allows you to do the same thing when working with VST&#8217;s and customize what features you want to assign and use..So easy to use.</p>
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		<title>By: nylarch</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>nylarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the most brilliant things about Live is the &quot;blue hand&quot; feature.    Taking what you were saying about how easy it is to midi map to another level.    Plug in any midi device that has 8 rotary knobs.    I use an old Oxygen 8 keyboard.    Once you&#039;ve mapped this device you click on the blue hand on any Live instrument, effect or rack that has one in the title bar and 8 parameters are automatically mapped to the rotaries on your device.   So quick and useful - you can just jump right in and morph sounds,  play with the release on an instrument, etc. etc.   Its amazingly useful and allows you to really &quot;play&quot; the software and even &quot;play&quot; mixes when you&#039;re mixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the most brilliant things about Live is the &#8220;blue hand&#8221; feature.    Taking what you were saying about how easy it is to midi map to another level.    Plug in any midi device that has 8 rotary knobs.    I use an old Oxygen 8 keyboard.    Once you&#8217;ve mapped this device you click on the blue hand on any Live instrument, effect or rack that has one in the title bar and 8 parameters are automatically mapped to the rotaries on your device.   So quick and useful &#8211; you can just jump right in and morph sounds,  play with the release on an instrument, etc. etc.   Its amazingly useful and allows you to really &#8220;play&#8221; the software and even &#8220;play&#8221; mixes when you&#8217;re mixing.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob Thanks for the comment!  I would try using Live&#039;s External Instrument Device instead of midi/audio tracks.. So much easier to work it!  And you can wrap multiple instruments in an instrument rack and create chains (presets).  You can scroll through your presets or create midi clips and program the changes.  It makes using Live and Reason together so much easier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob Thanks for the comment!  I would try using Live&#8217;s External Instrument Device instead of midi/audio tracks.. So much easier to work it!  And you can wrap multiple instruments in an instrument rack and create chains (presets).  You can scroll through your presets or create midi clips and program the changes.  It makes using Live and Reason together so much easier!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.loopsinworship.com/blog/gear/why-i-use-ableton-live/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For worship, I use live and ReWire Reason into it as well.

I play with 2 keyboards. Using 2 keyboards in Reason is a pain. I have one controlling the selected patch in Reason. I use Live to tell the other what to play. Switching between Reason patches in Live is kind of a pain since Live reads all the devices within Combinators, so what I&#039;ll do before service is create multiple MIDI tracks in Live and have them set to whichever instruments I need, then I Monitor In/Out each track at the appropriate time during service.

As stated in the article, the MIDI controls are fantastic. This alone justified the purchase of Live for me.

I use an old Kurzweil K2500 and that has four inputs for sustain pedals. I have one for sustain, one for tap tempo, and another to control Live&#039;s looper (although I never really use that).

My church is recording a CD soon. So I have a session file for each of our songs already set to the right instruments, tempo, and time signature.

I used Reason 3 for so long, so Live was a no-brainer when it came to choosing a sequencer. Reason 4 is much better, but it still isn&#039;t as flexible.

When it comes to actual loops, I do use a few. I try to play as much as I can, just because I like to. If I use loops, a lot of times I&#039;m already alternating between two other instruments in the song. I have a Novation Launchpad, so launching/recording clips is easy.

Although, I&#039;ve been eying Cubase for a few months. They have this new feature called Loop Mash which looks really cool, especially for drums. I don&#039;t ever use drum loops so I really don&#039;t see how I could use that in a worship setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For worship, I use live and ReWire Reason into it as well.</p>
<p>I play with 2 keyboards. Using 2 keyboards in Reason is a pain. I have one controlling the selected patch in Reason. I use Live to tell the other what to play. Switching between Reason patches in Live is kind of a pain since Live reads all the devices within Combinators, so what I&#8217;ll do before service is create multiple MIDI tracks in Live and have them set to whichever instruments I need, then I Monitor In/Out each track at the appropriate time during service.</p>
<p>As stated in the article, the MIDI controls are fantastic. This alone justified the purchase of Live for me.</p>
<p>I use an old Kurzweil K2500 and that has four inputs for sustain pedals. I have one for sustain, one for tap tempo, and another to control Live&#8217;s looper (although I never really use that).</p>
<p>My church is recording a CD soon. So I have a session file for each of our songs already set to the right instruments, tempo, and time signature.</p>
<p>I used Reason 3 for so long, so Live was a no-brainer when it came to choosing a sequencer. Reason 4 is much better, but it still isn&#8217;t as flexible.</p>
<p>When it comes to actual loops, I do use a few. I try to play as much as I can, just because I like to. If I use loops, a lot of times I&#8217;m already alternating between two other instruments in the song. I have a Novation Launchpad, so launching/recording clips is easy.</p>
<p>Although, I&#8217;ve been eying Cubase for a few months. They have this new feature called Loop Mash which looks really cool, especially for drums. I don&#8217;t ever use drum loops so I really don&#8217;t see how I could use that in a worship setting.</p>
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